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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: UTF-32
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:49:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r0pjga4f.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <upm549fiu@gentoo.org> (message from Ulrich Mueller on Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:34:17 +0200)

> From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:34:17 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2023, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >> https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr19/tr19-9.html
> 
> > Yes, I know.  Not sure why you posted this, though.  If you are saying
> > that this somehow contradicts what I wrote above, please elaborate,
> > because I don't see the contradiction.
> 
> I don't understand how "codepoints that are wider than 32 bits"
> are related to UTF-32.

Because using UTF-32 for codepoints that fit in 32 bits makes very
little sense.  See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-32.

> UTF-8, UTF-16, and UTF-32 all encode the same
> repertoire (U+0000 to U+10FFFF).

UTF-8 is identical with the codepoints as long as the codepoints are
plain-ASCII.  UTF-16 is identical with the codepoints as long as the
codepoints are inside the BMP.  UTF-32 is identical with the
codepoints as long as the codepoints don't exceed 32 bits.  Since
Unicode doesn't exceed 32 bits, and Emacs extensions of the Unicode
codepoint space also don't exceed 32 bits, Emacs doesn't need to use
UTF-32.

> Emacs knows about UTF-8 and UTF-16 but not about UTF-32. Is it an
> unreasonable question to ask why that is so? (Just out of interest,
> I do not challenge it, and I have no need for UTF-32.)

The question is fine, and I think I answered it.  Did I miss some
aspects of the question?



  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-07 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-23 11:46 Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 15:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-23 16:07   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 18:24     ` Paul Eggert
2020-08-23 18:53       ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 18:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 18:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 19:13           ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 19:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 21:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24  7:06                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 14:30                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-29 11:17                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 14:36                   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 15:23                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 16:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-05 10:08                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 11:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 13:04                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 13:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 21:50                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 22:11                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-06  8:51                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06  5:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06  8:47                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06  9:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06  9:46                                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:32                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:31                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 13:02                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-06 13:08                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06 17:37                                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-06 18:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 18:44                                       ` Ulrich Müller
2023-07-06 19:01                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 19:31                                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  5:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  5:48                                               ` Ulrich Müller
2023-07-07  6:16                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  6:41                                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  7:38                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  9:44                                                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 10:21                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 10:42                                                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 12:04                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 13:01                                                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 13:38                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:01                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:38                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 13:37                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 13:45                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 12:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  8:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 15:27                                                   ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 15:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 16:21                                                       ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 16:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 16:57                                                           ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 18:21                                                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-08 21:31                                                           ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-09  9:22                                                       ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-09  9:57                                                         ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap Po Lu
2023-07-13  2:04                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-13  4:27                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-13 22:07                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-14  5:05                                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-14  6:57                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-15  2:10                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-15  2:38                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-15  5:18                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-07-15  5:50                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-15 15:22                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-17  2:22                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-17  5:26                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-17  2:32                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-16  2:19                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-09 11:35                                                         ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  0:19                                     ` Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:27                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  7:09                               ` UTF-32 (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  7:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  8:20                                   ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 10:16                                     ` UTF-32 Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 10:34                                       ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 12:49                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-07-07 13:24                                           ` UTF-32 Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 13:36                                           ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 14:06                                             ` UTF-32 Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 12:49                         ` Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Stefan Monnier
2023-07-05 13:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 19:07                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-08-23 19:47             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-24 18:35     ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-24 18:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-25 18:59         ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-25 19:26           ` Eli Zaretskii

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