From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: <83ppat84hk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> <87fvn1y0vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn0senq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vbkovhh7.fsf@engster.org> <87387rvobr.fsf@engster.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420483814 16289 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2015 18:50:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 05 19:50:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8CQX-0003Ej-3I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:30:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33521 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8CQW-0000rD-0v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57279) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8CQC-0000q6-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:30:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8CQ7-00034v-Ux for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:30:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:45598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8CQ7-00034f-Mg; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:30:27 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NHP00K00V8ES700@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:30:25 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NHP00KDEVEORY10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:30:25 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181004 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:50:42 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > If you want to support things like completions, refactoring, symbol > > searches, etc., we need full access to the AST from inside Emacs. > > With all due respect, it is so important to avoid the full AST > that I'm not going to give up on it just because someone claims > that is necessary. What would you need to know or hear to make up your mind on this issue? IOW, what information is missing for you to agree or disagree with David on this?