From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 05:47:21 +0200 Message-ID: <83pov4pb1y.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <1ceba0e3-b8a7-393d-ce41-213aee11b7f8@yandex.ru> <83si01rn0y.fsf@gnu.org> <56DEFEFC.3010404@cs.ucla.edu> <83r3fkrjcp.fsf@gnu.org> <56DF7797.4060802@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457495244 13671 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 03:47:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 03:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 04:47:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5h-0008S2-TA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 04:47:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38833 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5h-0003PB-An for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56818) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5c-0003Lz-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5b-00013s-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5b-00013l-Dr; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:11 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3360 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adV5a-0004V7-Ly; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:47:11 -0500 In-reply-to: <56DF7797.4060802@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201231 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 17:08:39 -0800 > > On 03/08/2016 09:05 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > By giving up on the need to fix them, we > > inadvertently send a very loud and clear message to the newcomers > > saying that good, correct, and accurate log messages are not > > important. > > We also send that message by giving up on the need to write good commit > messages in the first place. If we were to tell newcomers something like > "Thanks, that was a nice patch, and could you please add a commit > message following the guidelines so that we can install it for you?" > then they will figure things out. But if we instead keep installing such > patches as-is and maybe fixing the commit messages ourselves later, we > are in effect telling contributors not to bother writing good commit > messages. The problems are with those who have commit rights.