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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A couple of questions and concerns about Emacs network security
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 15:41:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83po00leo5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wou8itoy.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Fri, 06 Jul 2018 11:45:17 +0200)

> From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
> Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 11:45:17 +0200
> 
>   After setting gnutls-min-prime-bits to 1024 I no longer get this
>   warning.
> 
> Given this, it seems reasonable to conclude that most Emacs users who
> continue to use the current default setting are aware of the risk, and
> those who have changed it haven't experienced a problem worth reporting.
> Therefore, changing the default at this time is not likely to cause a
> problem for most long-time users, and will be safer for all new users,
> and most likely unproblematic for them (and if it is a problem, then
> they will know the trade-off).

Thanks, but I don't see how can we deduce "most" from any such
reports.  And the users who have made such a setting don't need the
defaults to change anyway.

Not that "most" counts here, anyway: the whole point of prolonged
testing of modified defaults is to uncover those rare use cases where
the new values do some harm, and see whether we need to augment the
new settings with something.  I see no way around that, sorry, not
when a feature as basic as network connections is concerned.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-06 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-22 22:00 A couple of questions and concerns about Emacs network security Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-22 22:43 ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-22 23:21   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-22 23:33     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23  1:35       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-23 10:23         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23 10:34           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23 10:48           ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-23 11:32             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23 11:55               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-23 12:05                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23 12:13                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23 12:15                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23 12:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07  9:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 14:01                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 15:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 15:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23 12:45                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-24 12:53                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-05 13:33           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 13:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 15:29               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 18:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 19:26                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-05 19:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 20:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 17:03                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-06 17:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 18:15                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07  7:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 10:30                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 11:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 20:46                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 20:45                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-06  6:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 23:08                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-07 12:18                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-07 13:19                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 13:46                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-07 14:17                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 15:25                                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-07 16:08                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 23:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-08  0:25                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-08  2:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 22:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-07 14:32                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 15:15                                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-07 15:39                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 18:16                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07 23:03                                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 23:45                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-05 13:50             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-05 15:30               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 15:36                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-05 16:05                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 22:44             ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-06  6:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23  0:00     ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-23  0:10       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-23  9:57         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-23  2:17   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-23  6:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23 10:21       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-23 11:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23 22:28       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-24 14:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-24 14:34           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 14:48             ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-24 15:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-24 16:57                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 17:10                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-24 17:39                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 18:29                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-24 18:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-24 21:30                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25  1:25                           ` Van L
2018-06-25  2:28                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25  2:38                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25 17:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 17:25                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25 18:06                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-24 20:58             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 21:07               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 22:47                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25  0:04                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-25  0:33                     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-25  0:36                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 21:28               ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-24 21:57                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-25 16:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 16:29                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25 16:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-25 17:08                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25 17:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-30 17:40                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-30 18:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 17:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 17:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 16:55                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-25 17:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 17:20                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-25 17:33                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-05 15:52                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 15:58                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-05 16:36                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 16:51                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-05 18:25                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 18:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 18:43                         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-05 20:31                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-08 11:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06  9:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-05 15:33       ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 18:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06  8:36           ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-06  8:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06  9:35               ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-06 12:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 12:52                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-06 13:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06  9:45               ` Stephen Berman
2018-07-06 12:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-07-06 13:50                   ` Stephen Berman
2018-07-07  7:15                     ` martin rudalics
2018-07-07 12:22                       ` Stephen Berman
2018-07-07 13:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 13:47                           ` Stephen Berman
2018-07-08  8:11                         ` martin rudalics
2018-07-05 15:10     ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-23  6:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-23 10:34     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-05 15:58     ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 19:20       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-05 20:46         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-05 22:44       ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-06  6:42         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-06  8:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06  9:28             ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-06 13:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 18:06               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-06 18:48                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-07  7:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07  9:36                 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-07  9:59                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 10:01                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07 21:44                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-07 21:59                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07 22:11                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 23:09                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-10 18:20                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-10 18:36                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-10 18:40                                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-10 18:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 20:50                                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-14  6:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-14 17:18                                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-14 18:25                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 22:13                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 13:09                     ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-09 13:33                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 13:43                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-09 13:49                           ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 17:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 17:24                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-10  0:06                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-10  0:03                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-10  0:02                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-07-06 13:03             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-06 14:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 21:24                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-07  7:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 14:06           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:54             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 15:13               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 16:56                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 17:06                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-08 17:25                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 17:53                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 18:54                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 19:30                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 19:32                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 22:56                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-08 17:47                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 18:10                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 18:12                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 18:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 18:39                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 18:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 19:22                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 16:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 17:17                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 17:36                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 17:38                                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 18:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 18:10                                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 18:33                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 18:47                                             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-10 16:10                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 19:28                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 19:31                                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 17:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 17:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-09 17:09                                   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 15:29                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-09 16:35                                 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-08 18:31                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 18:42                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 19:28                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 17:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 19:16                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 14:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 14:58               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-07-08 15:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 15:16               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-06 16:53         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-06 23:11           ` Richard Stallman

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