From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at,
stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:05:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83pn2i0zds.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvo8i2rpdo.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 06 Jan 2021 11:44:26 -0500)
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net,
> rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com
> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 11:44:26 -0500
>
> >> > So I think such changes should be introduced with:
> >> > - An explicit announcement.
> >> > - A clear way to get back the old behavior.
> >> > - A trial period in the order 2-3 months.
> >>
> >> Fine with me.
> >
> > Fine with me, if someone volunteers to do this job. Failing that,
> > definitely not fine with me, as I cannot afford adding this to my
> > current burden of Emacs maintenance.
>
> Not sure how others interpreted what I wrote, but AFAIK none of the
> above three points imply extra work (just like you, I don't want extra
> work).
The "trial period" part is extra work: someone will have to manage
that. If we are to have a rule that such a trial is required for
every UI change, tracking all those trials so that they could end in
time will be non-trivial.
Remembering to announce such changes is also an annoying additional
duty, albeit a smaller one.
Basically, such a system is a lot of hassle for very little gains.
Please show me another project that does something like that.
> All it does is clarify that we can tentatively introduce changes
> in defaults and when people complain about a change in UI, we may want
> to tell them to "try it for a couple month" before deciding it should
> be reverted.
It wasn't clear you were proposing a trial _after_ installing a
change. If people who complain about a change agree to the trial
suggestion, it may work, but then what exactly did we change from what
we have now? And as you well know, people who complain about this
stuff want it reverted NOW.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-06 17:05 UTC|newest]
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2020-12-23 15:24 Confused by y-or-n-p Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 16:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-23 17:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-23 18:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-23 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 4:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23 19:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-23 19:53 ` Karl Fogel
2020-12-23 20:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-24 18:26 ` Karl Fogel
2020-12-24 5:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 6:06 ` David Masterson
2020-12-24 16:49 ` João Távora
2020-12-24 15:38 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-24 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-25 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 9:07 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-25 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 13:20 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-26 10:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 11:01 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-26 13:41 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-27 16:25 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-27 17:16 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-28 8:48 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-27 18:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 8:52 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 17:06 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-28 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-30 9:54 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-02 5:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 13:36 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 5:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 5:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-02 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 7:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-02 17:06 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-02 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-03 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 6:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 7:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-04 9:21 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-04 9:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-04 9:55 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-04 11:28 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 14:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 15:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-04 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-05 8:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-05 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 17:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 18:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-05 8:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-06 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-06 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-01-06 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 17:20 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-04 17:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-04 18:52 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-05 8:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-04 18:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 17:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-05 6:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-05 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 10:28 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 17:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 17:28 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 22:18 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-05 14:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 0:14 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 9:41 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 15:46 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-01-06 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 16:36 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-01-06 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 23:57 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-07 9:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-08 6:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 7:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-13 15:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 6:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 8:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-05 6:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-07 7:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-13 15:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-13 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-15 5:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-17 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-05 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 21:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 5:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 6:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-04 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 5:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 10:28 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 11:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-04 11:35 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 12:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-04 13:10 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-04 17:21 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-05 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-05 11:10 ` tomas
2021-01-05 15:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-04 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-04 22:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-05 11:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-01-05 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-05 18:18 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-05 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 18:03 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-14 8:50 ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-15 5:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-05 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 0:14 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06 0:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-06 9:41 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-06 11:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-06 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 15:46 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-06 23:57 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-07 9:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-07 10:03 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-07 10:29 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 14:06 ` Following etc/NEWS on the development branch (was: Confused by y-or-n-p) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-01-09 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 16:05 ` Following etc/NEWS on the development branch Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-01-09 9:34 ` Confused by y-or-n-p Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-10 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 23:34 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-08 2:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-09 9:34 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-08 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 6:44 ` Stealing minibuffers [Was: Confused by y-or-n-p] Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 9:34 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-09 10:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 15:32 ` Confused by y-or-n-p Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:52 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:52 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 3:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 5:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28 5:51 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-28 8:59 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-26 10:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25 9:23 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-25 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 8:42 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-25 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 13:20 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-26 10:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:41 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-27 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-26 13:45 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-27 5:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 18:30 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-25 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25 8:42 ` martin rudalics
2020-12-28 17:09 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-29 8:53 ` martin rudalics
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