From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : New key binding syntax Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:43:02 +0200 Message-ID: <83pmqwuxih.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <2983368.DOhyMDKghp@galex-713.eu> <83ee7cwq3l.fsf@gnu.org> <3597544.hBxPqSa7jC@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27946"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alexandre Garreau Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 19 13:49:41 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mo3Kn-00073C-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:49:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49908 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mo3Kl-0000MY-Fd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:49:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mo3Eg-0004OO-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50742 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mo3Ef-0004K7-4d; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:43:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=eclR7emXq1d3rPgcbFJRi+//JaZDV7TU49cxjVoh0dw=; b=QUD+5DQJvKLGmBmYPD5Q veKotPe7wXfUKrpoHsDgKOnPoyCLeC0wqpAjrw9ofXu9cASW43b8niG4E3LKx7ytqzwAT39kR3B1N UufLaJmB7bqibyEFSJYL34uX3Zj5FkNzh2/JPNa5kymQmpbvHPRi9FlZ71rHNPBkxcozWP0GsRx5Y aSv2hzzBnDBt3JRLfbNOZg9TGis5wXZ8ESF65Ct63aoR/DnzcTGrUvumyd5fEQJBSjFYsPhr/ADLW kIAXTzPT+krc1nLvJZ891mD/n5btdJJsX51wLRpKNFmXY1evZV6dnesnCyZxx0RrRi0DT+6Oe0lw+ SQQO1r48RdPMtQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mo3EM-0004Ly-Em; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:43:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3597544.hBxPqSa7jC@galex-713.eu> (message from Alexandre Garreau on Fri, 19 Nov 2021 12:33:32 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279746 Archived-At: > From: Alexandre Garreau > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 12:33:32 +0100 > > > > Why? everybody does that now and that’s strictly more recognizable for > > > most of people (especially newcomers) nowadays > > > > Does that mean you want us to go through all our manuals and the > > tutorial, and change C-x and C-M-y into Ctrl+x and Ctrl+Alt+y? And > > then change all the key-binding APIs to accept the above notation as > > well? Because if we don't do that, there will be two very different > > ways of specifying key sequences, and that will confuse newcomers even > > more. > > Yes, and as I said it would be even more nice to have a special syntax/ > command in texinfo to specify keysequences, so they can be > programmatically all be changed very easily, in case the user rebinds > them, so not only emacs’ C-h is updated, but the info manual as well (and > that could be useful as well for any software whose keys can and commonly > are rebound) Well, you certainly expect others to do a lot of work here.