From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 14:44:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83pmpoyfk4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mtkuypr6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39035"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 13:51:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n015A-0009x6-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 13:51:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45858 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0159-0005vu-JR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 07:50:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n00zF-00037e-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 07:44:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35836 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n00z7-0007FE-Sr; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 07:44:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=+FYt38oIcry0hpjjo5Jx0RwzjmgMREc5HnMp34GciMo=; b=r/XAQgGKmz7OgdOSi6bF NlWn53LKU5Z5FiI6XtH1tLfooo5i5cYOsmj04XvltpGz1+7fkmV+K46Rq6SdNTLNZGl0IpGiuDBNw +yxsg8TnGaoB7H5cgXeXq+CJKD0Z8g1qbw9UItYgV9x5F75Nq5fWvdOcIvjCxxc+Wj+tp5hqQRSV1 EKDzuFIlh8Njj+Mvf7VMEPfsys5yelK8mrp4J75iwDRYfQ9CKinmwkzlLoQ4KnT3hndgo6CIq54sO Wwmzo3TcJmX5NNGSJwTTVCk/yPO2tsBmFGp3WFY6CjvDOXJ/gL+Cr2yt6UwuejO28UGZkLFTJTYU4 8kuutxe4vq50OQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1275 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n00z2-0005dY-9l; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 07:44:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282718 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 01:55:56 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman > > Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02015.html > From: Eli Zaretskii > Subject: Re: Development Speed > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 16:52:13 +0200 > > > Our Git repository is public, so everyone can study its statistics. > > Do you have any evidence that the rate of changes and contributions in > > Emacs deteriorates with the years? > > I did not necessarily want to imply that it was an existing problem, > just a what-if.  I do not have it but I suppose some numbers could be > produced using amounts of active contributors, contributions, total LOC, > etc. and ratios as evidence?  There are also software that analyze code > complexity using metrics such as cyclomatic complexity I believe. We have enough real issues to take up all my free time, I don't need hypothetical what-if's added to them. You are welcome to produce such numbers, and if you think they are of interest, post them. > My reason own to bring it up was that I absolutely hated what I saw > here: GOOGLE ALERT https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F01yp0m,%2Fm%2F07zh7,%2Fm%2F0134xwrk The challenge is to identify the _real_ causes of that, and then see what we can do about them.