From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 13:50:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83pmpmrzm3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a6grx1o9.fsf@gnu.org> <834k6zwvi1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7azilmu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfujh4a2.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dbuhm6j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tueyg5gc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87lf0a2uq0.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4035"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 12:51:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0j6S-0000ph-F5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 12:51:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44062 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0j6Q-00035k-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:51:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0j5J-00024m-HZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:50:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=41042 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0j5I-0001A3-NV; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:50:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=drwRfoDx0fHAjjmGHQCAYCriE7vkYhal4ovB4OPiBso=; b=HcBTxVOASqfs 9BPqwlvUy+ME0U3rQIGhNJq+ln6l+X/pUVg4+X0s6/pBXOZk+DpIC3b5lxMcPus9iZm4ADtzWekxC cKEbCiHjTjEgQurEbftB5PpBECY97l81BlCFCzUztruqvsP3dcew3G38aOoo0kG7bmKniYHWPKimN HA05qwDBb5iQdqWDONHVPGzkqjg5IlTOgCjD6kGbEzExxi6xZApxzXT+hV4wNpBgcKX8QKO4X2J7c Nz7co2lTG396kCPzHhEFkrmrjVEt6lGbJhcjzxHy74xuZvkQhWLdflXCQrd6x8BIUIqOp2PonVdv6 aeGiVKTpmaePKE8hCYLxSw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1269 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0j5I-00089G-Kz; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 06:50:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87lf0a2uq0.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:55:03 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283124 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:55:03 +0100 > Cc: Po Lu , Drew Adams , > "xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions." > > Anyway, this inspired me to have a look at the no-toolkit build of Emacs > for the first time in years, and... it's a bit rough. There's no HiDPI > support, apparently, so all the icons/menus look unusably tiny on this > screen. And the scroll bar apparently works the same as an xterm in > 1989? That is, left/right mouse clicks goes down/up, and you can't drag > it at all. That's no surprise: no one develops that configuration since it exists. So it's a kind-of vicious circle: this configuration doesn't get any love because no one likes it, and no one likes it because it doesn't get any love. > So it's no wonder that few people are using that. But if want to cater > more to people that want Emacs to look the same on all operating > systems, there's at least a base to start working from, because it seems > to work fine otherwise. Please note that the code still is full of Xlib calls, so making it work on other systems will not be trivial.