From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 3fd2b00a4b 2/2: ; * Makefile.in: Add "make bootstrap configure=default" as a first choice. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:20:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83pmfrxx7r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <166357331345.19427.12446846086384744693@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220919074155.2E6D7C00872@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bkrbzttm.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn9zyetq.fsf@gnus.org> <874jx3wvkj.fsf@gnus.org> <878rmfv915.fsf@gnus.org> <875yhjo7cm.fsf@yahoo.com> <87illjtszs.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn9zmqo2.fsf@yahoo.com> <83tu53xy1c.fsf@gnu.org> <87leqfmoy4.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31386"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se, gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 16:22:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaHez-0007tf-HI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 16:22:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaHey-0007sz-Hi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaHdA-0006n4-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:20:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaHdA-0000N6-FE; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:20:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ObN0OvBFGNPi1Sf9QLujvwV54Gl6gNq3F8nUFL9nkcA=; b=r2R3IrxC29/j UZX+LpF7Oqee93c50ORWaA3GVSpDk7vOtGL6bv61AFozl/FdkxfkSleyOApxKs8c9ELMAxGT5rySk Eud4iaNLf6o6YJRNf6wO2KUKA4QCjtkFulKZWeI/WQxojS65gcgffSKNeQzVZpuwbZ4UjEoRnH6FJ lE+u/PwTAX+ZGoMidLfvHmRST+esdi+VlyYBgtq40F8txZIAA6xF10X1fnnVc+uAskdfSHsDHFz04 5hVXcST3c/1NE0+yM48sh3/mldMdDqghxjACh8k5iGRYDFWd2OUcrD7zVXtPWdFfG3hsHsQEunsC3 0fOhhooWqxaYENfbINrO+A==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3970 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaHcx-0005xI-VV; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:20:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87leqfmoy4.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 19 Sep 2022 22:14:11 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295705 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se, > gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 22:14:11 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > No, "bootstrap" means just that: build a program when some components > > needed for the build are missing. Thus, "bootstrap" is not > > necessarily supposed to make sense when those components are present. > > > > We are actually using "bootstrap" in a different role: as a build from > > a clean tree. (And when you actually build a fresh checkout, it is > > nowadays unnecessary to say "make bootstrap", as GNUmakefile does TRT > > in that case if you just say "make".) > > > > So maybe we should repurpose "bootstrap", and rename it while at that, > > to something like "clean-build" or somesuch. > > Hmm, but in that case, what target should be used to resolve incremental > build failures? That's what we (mistakenly) call "bootstrap". If it doesn't clean well enough, its clean stage should be improved.