From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 13:42:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83pm3jz532.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <83pm3k2mj2.fsf@gnu.org> <87jztsno4s.fsf@localhost> <83lee737gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg2nmmhl.fsf@localhost> <83sf8fz8kn.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttsvmknr.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38204"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 19 12:42:39 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXJPj-0009hd-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:42:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXJP5-0006hp-Rp; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 06:41:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXJP4-0006hW-Ql for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 06:41:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXJP3-0006e4-QD; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 06:41:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wan899vLVMKUbjWZXMQtt8aoeP40D8hjj3nDpoi2Cdk=; b=jnIKkgml7gqE mpwykP8S2Low2f0xjf6QMD1PSDEkUMvcvuiH9PSG3Thpj0wiCL1wPhUOmG+x8ePqTSNYa51VaHqZO Uquuqxp5rJnH6bAhUO4pLqlA3M5hqouoQvEfZu04jVxV2Mnvj0TmF7HDTlj072yYvGupPVva5xyGN 43C99wsxbnShnuJ6JxxZ4WGnJgUkuWP9gQNqTyV9C9rhhrAWhfQMHxPsYXu4+Fp8xqVmC2bKoMjHT 0SUfVIYHJmwZonXpZeyF2g2XeeVHLgM5Cd/pMKCC+kMbDSvLvFPHG4QP8P+qFHn9lgL+F55EqzEQh IWuvbDsCmflrKXXROBq13w==; In-Reply-To: <87ttsvmknr.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:44:08 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308925 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:44:08 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > If the idea is that the main contributors to the Org documentation are > > Org users, and the rest of Emacs developers don't really count for > > this purpose, then why did you count the contributions of the latter > > to begin with? they should be immaterial for you, AFAIU. > > They are not immaterial. The work contributed to Org manual by Emacs > devs, even if small, is certainly appreciated. However, decision to > switch back to .texi is a major one and will affect all the > contributors, not just Emacs devs. Thus, I am trying to weight the > overall impact on the _Org_ development and maintenance. > > I looked into git logs specifically to see the contribution pattern of > Emacs developers and whether it was influenced by switching from .texi > to .org. I only found that Texinfo markup-related contributions > disappeared (naturally). Other contributions remained at their levels: > typo fixes and enforcing Emacs-wide terminology and wording standards. > > Neither typo fixes nor enforcing certain terminology uses are limited by > the fact that Org manual is not in .texi format. (Correct me if I am > wrong). > > On the other hand, people contributing non-trivial patches for Org > manual should naturally be familiar with Org mode. So, using Org markup > should not be a handicap for them, while forcing texinfo may sometimes > be. > > That's why, not disregarding Emacs dev contributions, I do not see what > positive change switching back to .texi would bring to Org development. We are going in circles. I already explained, or tried to explain, what would be the positive change. It's your call, obviously.