From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs is on Bazaar now.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:08:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83oclhejpx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87637ppyhl.fsf@red-bean.com>
> From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:54:14 -0500
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Remember, during the transition, the point of
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/BzrForEmacsDevs was to offer a
> reliable, safe, and simple method for continuing to work. That way, no
> one would shoot themselves (or the project) in the foot while learning
> how to use Bazaar. This naturally involved compromises.
>
> Soon, though, developers (like Kenichi Handa) will be more familiar and
> comfortable with Bazaar. Once that happens, they *will* start looking
> for ways to get around annoyances -- such as the need to do two commits
> with two log messages (!) even for simple typo changes.
>
> This is inevitable; if we deny this reality, we simply make the doc less
> useful.
As I wrote several weeks ago (and was pounced upon), I don't see why
we need to spoon-feed experienced developers such as Handa-san. I see
no need to wait until developers ``start looking for ways to get
around'', and tell them how to do that only then. Describe the
options (not all of them, just a few useful ones) together with their
merits and demerits, and let each one make their own choices, like the
grown-ups they are. The current ``need to know basis'' attitude of
keeping information off the docs lest developers will be confused is
almost unethical, pardon my French.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-29 18:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-27 22:55 GNU Emacs is on Bazaar now Karl Fogel
2009-12-28 6:46 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 6:55 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-28 8:07 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 8:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 11:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-28 11:45 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 12:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-28 13:10 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 12:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 13:22 ` Xavier Maillard
2009-12-28 13:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-28 14:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-28 9:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 11:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-28 11:47 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 12:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 13:08 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-12-28 19:59 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 21:27 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-28 22:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 22:24 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 1:26 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-12-29 2:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-29 2:26 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-12-28 22:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-28 22:41 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-28 23:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 1:17 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 2:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 1:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 2:00 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 2:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 4:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 4:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 7:25 ` Kevin Rodgers
2009-12-29 10:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-29 15:54 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 16:01 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-29 16:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2009-12-29 18:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-29 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-29 18:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-12-29 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-29 18:54 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-29 20:14 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-31 8:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 8:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 9:26 ` Miles Bader
2009-12-31 8:44 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-01 8:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 5:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 6:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-01 9:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 9:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 11:33 ` Chong Yidong
2009-12-29 1:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 2:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 4:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 4:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 5:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 5:58 ` Miles Bader
2009-12-31 6:02 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-01-01 11:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 6:33 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 6:51 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-01 10:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 10:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 6:14 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-29 7:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-28 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-28 20:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-28 20:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-29 18:00 ` James Cloos
2009-12-29 19:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-29 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-29 20:55 ` James Cloos
2009-12-29 21:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
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