From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: smtp crap
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:58:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83obxmwppz.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:30:56 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > I cannot speak for Posix platforms nowadays, but I do know that almost
> > every Windows box out there has its mail client set up
>
> Considering the increasing popularity of webmail, this may not be true
> anymore.
It is still true. Even if the local MUA is used less than it was
before, it is still set up.
> Also, I don't like the argument that we should treat Windows users
> differently from users on other platforms, just because they are likely
> to use some proprietary mail client. In that context, offering to set
> up Emacs for sending email is actually good, if it encourages less
> dependence on such mail clients.
Sorry, I see no sense in this reasoning. This discussion is about
letting "emacs -Q" be able to send mail with a high probability of
success and with the minimum fuss for the user. This situation is
especially important when reporting bugs, because we actually request
users to use "emacs -Q" for that. Why would we want to hurt this
goal, for the sake of some illusory "equality" between platforms?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-12 8:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-08 2:02 smtp crap Miles Bader
2011-10-08 4:14 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-08 6:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 7:03 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 13:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-08 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 14:50 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2011-10-09 23:58 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 11:19 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 14:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-09 5:53 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-10 22:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 3:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 5:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 12:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 21:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 22:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-12 1:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-14 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 16:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-10-11 16:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 21:21 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:41 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:11 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 0:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:04 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 1:30 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-12 3:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 4:50 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 6:33 ` joakim
2011-10-12 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:24 ` joakim
2011-10-12 11:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 9:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:16 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 11:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-10-08 8:17 ` David Engster
2011-10-08 8:52 ` Bastien
2011-10-08 12:36 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-08 14:10 ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-10 21:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 2:09 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-11 5:10 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 3:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 0:34 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 4:20 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 4:41 ` chad
2011-10-11 5:34 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 5:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 18:14 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-10-26 21:48 ` chad
2011-10-26 22:32 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 23:13 ` chad
2011-10-27 0:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 2:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27 0:23 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27 1:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09 1:28 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-09 6:06 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-09 14:55 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
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2011-10-08 2:08 Miles Bader
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