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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enlarge MAX_ALLOCA?
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:14:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83oaxostwv.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877g4c96gm.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:04:09 +0200
> 
> >> If there is a hard limit due to short offsets or similar (and if
> >> there weren't, why bother at all?), then allocating a full 64kB
> >> might be a bad idea.
> >
> > Is there really such a system?  If so, which one?
> 
> Either your limit has a rationale in machine architectures or not.  If
> it has: the C standard guarantees that you are allowed to take the
> address _after_ an array.
> 
> The 68k architecture has short offsets (-32768..+32767) for addressing
> off an address register such as the stack pointer.

But we don't support 68k anymore, AFAIK.

> >> 64kB feels arbitrary.
> >
> > I explained my rationale for choosing this value.
> 
> The explanation was:
> 
> > Why 64KB?  Because that's the size of the work area coding.c allocates
> > whenever it needs to encode or decode something.  It turns out we do
> > this a lot, e.g., every redisplay calls file-readable-p on the icon
> > image files, which needs to encode the file name.  While the work area
> > is immediately free'd, I think allocating such a large buffer so much
> > has a potential of creating an unnecessary memory pressure on
> > 'malloc', and perhaps cause excess fragmentation and/or enlarge memory
> > footprint in some cases.
> 
> That's not related to an architecture restraint.  In fact, it merely
> follows the arbitrary definition
> 
> #define CHARBUF_SIZE 0x4000

Indeed.  As I stated.

> Arbitrary because this is not a lookup table size but a buffer size for
> portioned conversion.  Instead of doubling MAX_ALLOCA, it would seem to
> make more sense to reduce CHARBUF_SIZE to something making it fit better
> on the stack if this is performance relevant.

I don't think CHARBUF_SIZE is too arbitrary, but I will let the
experts explain why they chose it.

> As I said: there are architectural reasons (short addressing mode)
> making somewhat less than 32kB a good choice on some architectures.

But do we support such architectures?  I think we don't.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-19 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-19 16:02 Enlarge MAX_ALLOCA? Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-19 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-06-19 16:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-19 17:04     ` David Kastrup
2014-06-19 17:14       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-06-19 17:36         ` David Kastrup
2014-06-19 17:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-19 18:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-19 21:13     ` David Kastrup
2014-06-20  7:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20  8:08         ` David Kastrup
2014-06-20  8:38     ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-20  8:56       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20  9:26       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-06-20  9:38         ` David Kastrup
2014-06-19 18:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-19 18:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-19 20:37     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20  7:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 13:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 13:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 14:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 14:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 15:15               ` Herring, Davis
2014-06-20 15:44                 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-20 18:36                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-21 13:01     ` K. Handa
2014-06-21 13:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-21 17:08         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-22  9:22         ` K. Handa
2014-06-28 14:15           ` K. Handa
2014-06-28 14:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-21 15:19       ` David Kastrup

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