From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:23:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83oarexg95.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418055845 9299 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 16:24:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 17:24:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy16L-0002Xb-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:23:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy16L-00063T-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:23:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45453) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy160-00063D-D8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:23:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy15s-0007Uo-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:38799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy15s-0007US-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:23:28 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG900H00URRUH00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:22:23 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG900G92UTARC10@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:22:23 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179407 Archived-At: > From: Tom > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) > > So if you don't know the exact wording of what you are looking for > then google is faster most of the time. > > Info, for example, cannot do this, so it is faster only if you already > know what you are looking for, you know the exact term, etc. In other > cases, when looking up something new and unfamiliar in the docs, using > Google is usually more efficient. Did you know about "M-x info-apropos"? Granted, that won't find the latest statement by President Obama or a review of some movie. Info is a system for consulting software documentation, so don't expect it to find anything that isn't in some manual. But it does have many useful features for looking up things in the software docs, e.g. see info-look.el. By contrast, when you google for software docs, you can never know if the hit you get is up to date or not. To find that out, you need quite a lot of additional research, which all but makes up for the seemingly instant access and wealth of resources. So before you dismiss Texinfo, give it a chance and study it, especially its seldom used and little-known features. If nothing else, you will have your horizons widened and your payload enriched by the ideas you see in action. > > And this largely reminds me the discussion "make CUA the default because > > it will attract new users familiar with Word/Notepad/etc.). > > It's not about attracting, it's about eliminating arbitrary barriers > of entry. When popular systems use CUA keys then it is a barrier for > new users if they have to relearn these keys just for emacs. What is it with you young people that you are so afraid of "barriers"? Did someone sell you a fairy tail that there are no barriers in life, except in Emacs and Texinfo? If you cannot negotiate these ridiculously low "barriers", how will you ever succeed in your life out there?