From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:46:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83oaf0jmcg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vb98csu1.fsf@red-bean.com> <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com> <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2poba1s.fsf@red-bean.com> <83si4cjnyw.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447274810 1605 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 20:46:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 21:46:40 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcHv-0003pI-Hf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:46:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42877 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcHv-0007rm-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:46:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcHr-0007rf-Fp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcHo-0005JQ-A6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:46:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:52412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwcHo-0005Iy-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:46:32 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXO008004669R00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:45:25 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXO004CC4BO3Q40@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:45:24 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194138 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Karl Fogel , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:17:44 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but I think this behavior doesn't happen when > > electric-indent-mode is off, which it was in previous versions of Emacs. > > Isn't that true? > > Correct. We have several things in play here: > > 1. When electric-indent-mode is off, everything is fine. > > 2. When electric-indent-mode is on, C-o behaves in an unexpected fashion. Then what is it that electric-indent-mode gives you that prevents you personally from turning it off? > Since I wasn't present for the discussion when electric-indent-mode was > enabled by default, I'd like to reopen that discussion with regard to 25.1. > Probably on a separate thread from this one. Please read the past discussions about that, before you decide to start another one. If you still think it's a good idea after you've read that, I guess we will, but at least we could then try to avoid saying again what has been already beaten to death. Personally, I find arguments about Emacs defaults one of the most futile kind of arguments. They tend to drag on and on, when all you need to do to solve the problem is a few lines in your ~/.emacs, many times just one line. But that's me.