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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Conservative GC isn't safe
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 18:42:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83oa1219bo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbmx2ryxz.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:29:06 -0500)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:29:06 -0500
> 
> > Documentation aspects aside, if by "manipulate struct interval" you
> > mean what we do in intervals.c between the call to make_interval and
> > the return value being plugged into some Lisp object, either a buffer
> 
> Yes, basically, that kind of manipulation.

All of these cases are in intervals.c.  There are no other calls to
make_interval anywhere in our sources.

So the question is: are those _the_only_ cases that you are talking
about, or do you see any others?

> > or a string, then we could set a variable during that time, which
> > would cause an abort in GC, if that happens somehow.
> 
> Such a var would only catch some of the possible issues I think
> (there's also the issue of when we take an existing struct interval
> pointer, remove it from one lvalue and plug it into another, plus
> various other cases).
> 
> IOW it sounds difficult to make such a test be "complete" (catch
> most/all cases).

That doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can.  Provided that we
consider this danger to be real, of course.

> I also think it could prove fiddly to avoid false positives.

How can this cause false positives?  The current code doesn't allow
any GC in those functions I described above.  This is purely a
defensive technique against possible changes in the future which will
mistakenly allow that.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-26 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-26  8:11 Conservative GC isn't safe Daniel Colascione
2016-11-26  8:30 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-26  8:33   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-26  9:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-26  9:04       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-26  9:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-26 15:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-26 15:21           ` Camm Maguire
2016-11-28 17:51           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 18:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 18:03               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 18:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 18:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 19:18               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 19:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 19:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 19:40                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:03                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:09                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 19:26               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-11-28 19:34                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-26 15:03   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-26 15:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-26 16:29       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-26 16:42         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-11-26 18:43           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-27  6:17     ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-27 15:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28  9:50         ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 15:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-27 16:15       ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28  9:36         ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 15:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 16:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 17:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 17:49                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 17:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 18:05                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 19:09                 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 19:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29  8:49                     ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 17:03             ` Björn Lindqvist
2016-11-28 16:13           ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-27 16:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-26 19:08 ` Pip Cet
2016-11-27  0:24   ` Paul Eggert

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