From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Use of minibuffer-prompt face when minibuffer is not involved Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 09:25:35 +0300 Message-ID: <83o949ecdc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8736lmi2dg.fsf@gmail.com> <54cf21f3-86fa-4af4-9872-7493b44e2f6f@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="118490"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 11 08:26:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPLSl-000Uhf-Q0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 08:26:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPLSk-000737-SE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 02:26:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPLS2-00070q-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 May 2019 02:25:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35637) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPLS2-00057p-Bv; Sat, 11 May 2019 02:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4594 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hPLRz-0007UO-Bk; Sat, 11 May 2019 02:25:39 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 10 May 2019 18:36:28 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236407 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 18:36:28 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > The question raised for emacs-devel by this thread > > is whether non-minbuffer prompting should have a > > face, and if so, which face. > > My answer was to this question. Let me repeat it to make it clear: > the difference between minibuffer prompts and > non-minibuffer prompts should be a purely internal one. And I agree 100%. I think it's a grave mistake to try to tell the user via faces whether some prompt/text is in the active minibuffer or not. That just confuses the user with no real gain. Active minibuffer is an internal detail. I wish it didn't exist at all, but our implementation forces us to have it. Exposing that to users is exactly the wrong idea.