From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing. Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:35:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83o8llf5bl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200929124513.fd745r2txowwbiir@Ergus> <87blho7af9.fsf@red-bean.com> <20200929215849.zg4wzytbrwx2b7ih@Ergus> <84B86B7C-81F0-42DF-894C-BF577E4B3D6E@mit.edu> <83a6x7js6y.fsf@gnu.org> <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201001165342.yyudrweicducnozn@Ergus> <87362x13v6.fsf@gmx.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23822"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, fmfs@posteo.net, bugs@gnu.support, qhong@mit.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kfogel@red-bean.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, npostavs@gmail.com To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 09:39:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOFf7-00061r-Kk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:39:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41258 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOFf6-0002ux-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 03:39:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOFbY-0007vc-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 03:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42199) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOFbW-0003eH-Ll; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 03:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4873 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kOFbW-0005Tl-0I; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 03:35:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87362x13v6.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:30:53 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256934 Archived-At: > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Jean Louis , Eli Zaretskii , Qiantan > Hong , fmfs@posteo.net, npostavs@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, kfogel@red-bean.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:30:53 +0200 > > I don't want to be the grinch, but pls remember what Tramp is: a library > for alternative implementations of file operations. I don't see yet how > /collab:session-key@ip-address:filename fits into the game, but maybe it > needs more details to understand. For example, which file operations > shall be treated. > > Furthermore, I also don't understand what needs to be done on the remote > side wrt collaboration. A remote file in Emacs is still a file, > connected to a buffer. All primitive file operations can be applied on > this. I think Michael is right: Tramp and collaborative editing are orthogonal features. Collaborative editing is about special handling of changes to buffer text, and Tramp has nothing to say about that, AFAIK.