From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: extraclean and admin/grammars [was Re: Git master head build failure?] Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:15:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83o8eve9oy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z16en2o.fsf@gmail.com> <83mtuih3en.fsf@gnu.org> <835z16gnkj.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2e2f22w.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgyikmui.fsf@gnus.org> <83v995g8lo.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1jsls85.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6qgg56n.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7knlcl6.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4346"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 03 16:16:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lSh4e-00012G-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 16:16:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55222 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSh4d-0008TQ-KF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:16:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSh3Z-0007yA-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSh3Z-0002tk-MH; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3455 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lSh3X-0002nD-Pj; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:15:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h7knlcl6.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 03 Apr 2021 15:30:45 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267350 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 15:30:45 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Bootstrapping Emacs means building a working Emacs executable when we > > either have no Emacs executable at all or that executable isn't > > working or is broken for some reason. > > > > IOW, bootstrapping Emacs doesn't _have_ to delete all generated files, > > though it _might_ delete those which are in the way of building a > > working Emacs. > > I still don't understand what mean here, since it's been demonstrated > several times that (in certain circumstances) people have to say "make > extraclean" to build a working Emacs executable. "make extraclean" is only needed when doing something very drastic, like switching to a very different branch. That is an extremely rare (if not improbable) use case, so IMO having everyone pay for it is unjustified. > So "make bootstrap" doesn't do what it says on the tin But it does: it bootstraps the current configuration of Emacs by doing what is necessary, but not more than that. It sounds like you think that "make bootstrap" is equivalent to checking out a pristine clone. But that is not the case, at least not for most people who use that target.