From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:45:04 +0200 Message-ID: <83o7efbftb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <25989.50971.995591.385250@google.com> <87a5q0dc9m.fsf@localhost> <87y1djc1c9.fsf@localhost> <87zfxzdbna.fsf@yahoo.com> <87plyv7oii.fsf@localhost> <8734vr4prv.fsf@localhost> <835y0nd4ut.fsf@gnu.org> <87zfxz35b4.fsf@localhost> <25992.27078.22115.25251@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <87h6k7337x.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, raman@google.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 24 19:45:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rHTTu-0001Aj-IF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:45:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHTTX-0002kw-At; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:45:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHTTM-0002iW-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:45:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rHTTL-0005XD-01; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:45:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=UfQwgqtAmfHmfw8K8ezLj32ZVWJ3dKSxVBsEfn7sVxY=; b=lPuZ4VlbHC/Km2TmW5B1 nvQTxfBfP8e4ufwcmiB5OM4dwzaGOFFR8vEeG1htHPSKyO0DWqJ5pf0SwfbJg1zJUDbMni4Mmuciw xn7gusYxRE3HjTz7h8JitVLuh0E0HRKndloxFWaU8QNdONfCWUcCM3nBjqkDp2nLfRRhspz9L5S4U F82fwY8alrreEBv3GyPu8M8yLAuoLa2r2OGSIoaAi8M6LlU6y1pDgh0111u/PuUwcCM6HCiH9pJC1 vbGsG/l33tCiEfiMPq/cu0inynoIyCEX6gRDvnsYsMiVGcjblXoXF4kq5UG1qj5i770eSUhY3Q4mQ x0nhGJGn3rPPZQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= on Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:01:18 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314177 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:01:18 +0000 > Cc: "T.V Raman" , eliz@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 5:41 PM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > > > "T.V Raman" writes: > > > > > in that case, perhaps we shouldn't bbe installing a ew version in > > > Emacs this often. > > > > The versions I am talking about are bugfix releases. > > Not installing them means missing out on the containing bug fixes. > > User can get these bug fixes with a simple `M-x package-install` or > `M-x package-update` (perhaps with one of more prefix arguments, not sure, > or via an extra variable). That's the way it works with Eglot, for > example. > > You have to weigh what is worse. A slightly-buggy-in-obscure-corners-Org > that keeps the master build clean and manages to load most org files or > the efforts it takes to update a package from ELPA/git. This idea is a non-starter, so please drop it. We will not slow down the pace of development and fixing bugs because of these problems. They are the same problems we have when macros in cconv.el or macroexp.el or gv.el or in other similar files are modified.