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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>
Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs inotify support?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:45:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83my50ymj5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6fa54e4e0909121026t797ee747yc2ac395314c3cc40@mail.gmail.com>

> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:26:14 +0200
> From: Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>
> Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:36:47 +0200
> > > From: Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > >
> > > If possible, polling should be avoided, though.
> >
> > Why?
> 
> Well, I don't know much about file systems, but isn't it always better
> to be notified than to poll ?

But (AFAIU) inotify works by giving the application a file descriptor
that the application needs to pass to `select' or `poll' in order to
get notifications.  This is exactly the kind of ``polling'' Emacs does
with any external event (except for signals).

So we are up for polling anyway.

> First, having a notification system
> means it's instantaneous. Second, I'd imagine querying the state of a
> file has a cost (especially if it can't be cached and needs a real
> access to the hard drive). Third, it'd avoid a waste of CPU resources
> (which may be important for power consumption, since, from what I
> understood, the more a program has fixed timers, the more it wakes the
> CPU from sleep). Fourth, being notified is more high-level, since the
> notification itself can be implemented by polling. One could imagine a
> notification API where the backend would use inotify if available,
> polling if not.

You seem to be thinking of some signal-like mechanism.  But that's not
how these notifications work (nor do I think it's a good idea for them
to work like that in Emacs, where interrupting code at an arbitrary
moment is not a good idea).

As for wasting CPU time, system calls like `select' and `poll' don't
waste them too much.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-12 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11 20:34 Emacs inotify support? joakim
2009-09-11 21:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-11 22:54   ` Antoine Levitt
2009-09-11 23:00     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-12 13:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-12 16:36       ` Antoine Levitt
2009-09-12 16:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-12 17:26           ` Antoine Levitt
2009-09-12 19:45             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2009-09-12 20:04               ` Antoine Levitt
2009-09-12 21:24               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-09-13 16:39       ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-13 17:28         ` joakim
2009-09-13 19:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-13 22:28             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-09-14  5:47             ` joakim
2009-09-14 18:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-12 16:46     ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-13  2:27       ` Miles Bader
2009-09-13  9:33         ` David Kastrup
2009-09-12 16:46 ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-14  7:39   ` Paul R
2009-09-15  7:17     ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-17 15:12       ` Juri Linkov
2009-09-18  9:49         ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-18 12:10           ` David Kastrup
2009-09-18 17:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-18 18:38               ` joakim
2009-09-21 21:45           ` Dired auto-revert (was: Emacs inotify support?) Juri Linkov
2009-09-21 22:29             ` Drew Adams
2009-09-23  9:05               ` Dired auto-revert Juri Linkov
2009-12-04  0:11                 ` Proced revert (Re: Dired auto-revert) Juri Linkov
2009-12-04  2:17                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-04 22:21                   ` Roland Winkler
2009-12-04  0:09               ` Dired auto-revert Juri Linkov
2009-12-04  2:15                 ` Stefan Monnier

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