From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Committing new smtpmail.el later tonight Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:50:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83mxh9ve5a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739jogwf9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lix9eknu.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <878vt52ykv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vt25tbf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zklbnet1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83sjr2vaqk.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqm5vnww.fsf@gnu.org> <878vsthjlm.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308772322 1602 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2011 19:52:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:52:02 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 22 21:51:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZTSv-0003uF-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:51:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51862 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZTSu-0004Li-Mc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZTSe-0004LO-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:51:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZTSd-0001Vg-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:51:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:35120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZTSc-0001V9-Sn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LN700F00IVO4600@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:50:56 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.66.211]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LN700EHHJ4VYT40@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:50:56 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <878vsthjlm.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140875 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:16:53 -0500 > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:19:59 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > EZ> That is fine for newcomers to smtpmail. But put myself in my shoes: I > EZ> configured my smtpmail years ago, and don't even remember the name of > EZ> my SMTP server, let alone the password. People like me will not be > EZ> amused if their old setup suddenly stops working until they dust out > EZ> old instructions. > > The variable is obsoleted. Isn't that the normal way to do it, possibly > annoying people? I understand that the variable is not just obsoleted, it no longer has any effect whatsoever. Isn't that so? > It's not particularly hard to migrate the info yourself, as I > mentioned. I don't like to be forced to migrate. As I explained, it's a nuisance for me, because I need to dig up information I long forgot. > EZ> Unlike other software, Emacs didn't until now break customizations in > EZ> such a way, not without some sort of interim period when users were > EZ> told to migrate. > > Since 24.x is a major release, maybe it's OK. How would you do it? Declare it obsolete in NEWS and slate for removal in a couple of releases. Like we always did. > EZ> How can my own customization on my own .emacs confuse me? > > There are now two places where the credentials live, if we follow your > scheme. You can forget about ~/.authinfo and modify > `smtpmail-auth-credentials' which won't work. Well, I'm asking that it _does_ work, right? Anyway, this conversation seems to go nowhere. I made a request and explained the reasons; if you want to ignore it, I guess I'll survive.