From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Prefer Mercurial instead of git Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:07:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83mwjati8i.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1388785952.11337.16.camel@Iris> <3166302.gI3LmCZv1L@descartes> <1388853707.11337.27.camel@Iris> <87zjnby4nu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1388862282.11337.31.camel@Iris> <87bnzr8s03.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831u0mv1mw.fsf@gnu.org> <87txdi74mc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83ppo6tkjx.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhyu71pt.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388945285 22488 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 18:08:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 19:08:11 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzs7O-0002Rn-Lh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:08:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58930 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzs7N-0002uP-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:08:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzs7G-0002tK-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:08:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzs7B-0006Z4-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:64326) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzs7A-0006Yy-Tt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:07:57 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MYX00500WZ4TR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:07:55 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MYX0054CX17JD70@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:07:55 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87lhyu71pt.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167385 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:55:26 +0100 >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > > If we are supposed to restrict ourselves to what VC or Magit offe= r, > > then why do we need to switch to git? One of the main reasons, w= e are > > told, is that git is so powerful, and can be used to do jobs that= bzr > > users can only dream about. >=20 > I don't think that that is "one of the main reasons." >=20 > The "main reasons" is that bzr is dying, learning it is a hurdle fo= r new > contributors and most Emacs contributors use something else for the > other projects they work on. >=20 > Choosing git was, simply, the result of a popularity contest. Maybe we have read two different discussions in two different forums. My reading of it was that the popularity was explained by power and flexibility that are unmatched by competition. > What I dispute is your implicit claim of "git is complex, > not-so-well documented and has a not-so-good UI, hence learning it > will be hard." Did I say that? I only responded to your assertion that the UI is a red herring, that's all. > For Eli's definition of "learning", the claim may be true. For > somebody else's definition of "learning", it is not. Not everyone i= s > interested on a thorough study of the tool "just in case" when some > simple instructions are enough to incorporate their edits into > Emacs' repository. I wonder how many of git enthusiasts think that way. My impression was that most, if not all of them think like me: that git is worthy o= f being mastered. > For those cases, a web search will quickly provide the solution. On= e > advantage of belonging to a huge user base is that somebody, somewh= ere, > had your same problem on the past, and helpful experts abound. Do you act this way with Emacs, too?