From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: * lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el (syntax-ppss): More sanity check to catch Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:24:58 +0200 Message-ID: <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r47bi1e5.fsf@yandex.ru> <52F96284.50507@yandex.ru> <52FAE12B.6060101@yandex.ru> <52FC3BEE.60604@yandex.ru> <52FCD2B4.5080006@yandex.ru> <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392362711 31346 80.91.229.3 (14 Feb 2014 07:25:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 14 08:25:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WED9C-0003nx-BS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:25:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WED9B-0006XS-TU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:25:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59295) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WED94-0006XD-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:25:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WED8y-0002O8-TQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:25:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:50740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WED8y-0002Ku-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:25:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0Z00M005Q2K600@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:25:03 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0Z00M545XQ8S80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:25:03 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169597 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:44:13 +0200 > From: Dmitry Gutov > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Half-kidding aside, yeah, it sounds like indirect buffers might need > some bugfixing to be usable as a building block for mmm-mode. I think features that want mode-specific behavior in some region of a file need new infrastructure (that needs to be discussed and designed first). Doing this mmm-style is IMO a terrible kludge that cannot possibly work well. Serious functionality like that should stop piggy-backing unrelated features in Emacs, and request infrastructure that will serve them. Straining Emacs Lisp-related extensibility for that is simply wrong, as it puts gratuitous pressure on existing infrastructure, and stands in the way of future development by imposing impossible backward compatibility requirements.