From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:52:59 +0300 Message-ID: <83mvvrub5g.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pp0p0zqh.fsf@red-bean.com> <83k2qwcxcp.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444416975 26515 80.91.229.3 (9 Oct 2015 18:56:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 09 20:56:04 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkcpn-0006v1-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:56:03 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:38447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkcpm-00019f-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41565 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkcpm-00035y-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkcoX-0002YO-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:55:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkcmn-0002k1-Vj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:54:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:34285) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkcmn-0002hY-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:52:57 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVY00D00UWVWX00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:52:24 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVY007CVV3BJ960@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:52:24 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191081 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 10:25:36 -0700 >=20 > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > > It's too bad, IMO, that you evidently assign so much importance t= o issues > > with which you disagree. Cooperation is about finding the areas o= f > > agreement, which are certainly vast in this case, and using them = for the > > common good, rather than poking at the few disagreements. > >=20 > > You will have to decide up front whether a possibility of no comp= romise in > > some situations is something you will be able to live with. This = is > > something that IMO sheds light not only on your relations with Ri= chard and > > the FSF, but also on your relations with other contributors here,= because > > such situations will arise there as well. > >=20 > > [...] And my question is: why not concentrate on those areas, and= simply > > "bypass" (a.k.a. "ignore") the rest? >=20 > Eli, the time I have free to spend on open source projects is very = limited, > and extremely precious to me. There are a hundred more things I wan= t to do, > than can do, on any given day. Same here. > So to make a commitment of this extent, I must be confident in what > I'm getting myself into. Not just the technical content, or even th= e > political content, but the "spirit" of those who are in charge of > decisions that could make my life as a contributor miserable, shoul= d > they choose. All understandable and agreed. I have no problem with the questions you ask. I just responded to one specific thing you wrote that is no= t a question at all: > I'm pretty sure that if it came up in a significant way, I wouldn't= be able to > stand by it. That's pretty black-and-white, no gray areas there. I do hope that this kind of confrontation will happen less in Emacs development than it happened until now. Maybe I'm na=EFve.