From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:14:25 +0300 Message-ID: <83mvvqr0xa.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2qufsop.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444504500 29893 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2015 19:15:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: johnw@newartisans.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 21:14:45 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkzbR-0002Ew-Mm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:14:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkzbR-0002vQ-6K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:14:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkzb7-0002ua-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:14:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkzb6-0006Hk-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:14:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:35778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkzb2-0006HN-DC; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:14:20 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NW000G00QF5SY00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:14:18 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NW000GC7QRURD70@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:14:18 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87k2qufsop.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191169 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: John Wiegley , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:07:50 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: "John Wiegley" > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:31:13 -0700 > >> > >> To reiterate: I think Emacs becomes more of an IDE when it provides > >> the backbone of an IDE, and not when it looks like one. > > > > I don't think this will fly. In effect, you are telling Emacs users > > they will have to code their own IDE by using the infrastructure > > (a.k.a. "backbone") that we provide. > > I don't see that. He is telling Emacs developers they'll be able to > rely on common infrastructure for creating an IDE catered to some > particular language/system. OK, but IMO we should aim for more than that. What John wrote sounded like providing the infrastructure _is_ the goal. Apologies if I misunderstood.