From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <83mvullky0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr> <87fv0labbf.fsf@web.de> <87y4eda0kl.fsf@petton.fr> <22074.42230.156669.584780@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <87ziyoxvdp.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k2psnzyh.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvuorz7n.fsf@gmail.com> <8337wfon3f.fsf@gnu.org> <56401834.8080402@yandex.ru> <83ziynma4s.fsf@gnu.org> <5640C6A0.5010709@yandex.ru> <83twovm9es.fsf@gnu.org> <868u65afvh.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83r3jxlmfu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447183304 30753 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 19:21:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aaronecay@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 20:21:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwEU2-0005gY-PP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:21:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwEU2-00047Q-Dj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:21:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33859) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwETx-00045C-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:21:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwETu-00072v-Cj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:21:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:48590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwETu-00072a-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:21:26 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXM00M005THAN00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:24:41 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXM00CAL5X5AB90@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:24:41 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193938 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, aaronecay@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:54:51 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Large packages like CEDET should move outside of Emacs.git and into > >> Elpa.git. > > "Should" based on what? just the fact that it's large? I think we should > > decide this stuff on a case by case basis. For example: > > I'm surprised you say this, Eli, because in another thread you agree that > packages like this should be in Elpa, didn't you? I said I _could_agree. But not unconditionally. We should discuss each case. > >> If xref.el depends on CEDET, it would move to Elpa.git as well. > > > IMO, the exact opposite: if there are core features that we want to be in > > Emacs no matter what, and those features depend on a package which could be > > a candidate to move to ELPA, that package should NOT move to ELPA. > > Core should provide functionality along the lines of a "standard library" and > a "standard environment", where having them in core is as much a statement > about consistency of interface, as it is about universal availability of the > functionality. Sorry, I don't understand what this means in practice. > Since xref.el does not need to depend on CEDET, I don't see a reason why it > should, causing CEDET to remain in core. xref is as useful as its backends. If you take away backends, it becomes less useful, or supports less programming languages, or both.