From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:30:34 +0300 Message-ID: <83mvl8x145.fsf@gnu.org> References: <46f603db-cf91-495d-d330-87b3538b7872@gmail.com> <87oa5pnvam.fsf@cochranmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469259075 28716 80.91.229.3 (23 Jul 2016 07:31:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 07:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: clement.pit@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Cochran Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 23 09:31:05 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOq-0007M3-CM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:31:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50629 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOp-0001N1-8n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39635) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOH-0001Mv-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOD-0000qK-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:30:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49528) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOD-0000q4-Sv; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2335 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bQrOC-0002Hl-0k; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:30:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <87oa5pnvam.fsf@cochranmail.com> (message from Robert Cochran on Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:48:49 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206059 Archived-At: > From: Robert Cochran > Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:48:49 -0700 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I know that I'm a relative newcomer to the Emacs lists, and that my > opinion isn't going to be as highly esteemed as some, but this issue is > important to me and I feel like I need to make my voice heard. It has been heard, thanks. There was never any need to have a code of conduct on the Emacs lists, and I don't see any need for that now. Telling people to be nice is not useful: it has effect only on those who already are. Telling them not to be assholes can in some quarters rightfully be interpreted as an offense to their intelligence. Etc. etc. Frankly, having read the proponents of such a code in the discussion that triggered this one, I think at least some of them should look in the mirror before they preach others. The only conduct we don't tolerate here is extreme rudeness far beyond any reasonably-civilized behavior. And even that needs to be repeated several times, before some kind of "police action" will be taken. There were very few, maybe two or three, of such cases here. In other cases, people might be politely told to take some irrelevant discussion elsewhere (and even that happens only if a small group is interested in that topic). And that's how it should be, IMO: we should not shut up discussions or oust their originators just because we don't like the way they express their opinions, or how they format their messages. A movement that aspires to bring more freedom cannot IMO manage its forums in any other way.