From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:02:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83mu72ckjr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <32f6a2ce-e30f-059f-dcd4-233d666a10a1@yandex.ru> <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87blnjopd0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <83v9lregx0.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgguh9we.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="50953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 23 17:11:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdVZ-000D7s-1T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:11:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdVY-00035E-4j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:11:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdN1-0005jo-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdN1-0006I6-KM; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1534 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdN0-0003Fw-Td; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:02:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sgguh9we.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:41:05 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247590 Archived-At: > From: Joost Kremers > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:41:05 +0200 > > > It would make more sense to call them various different modes. > > That they all use a certain way of formatting the text may not be > > important to mention. > > Actually, it's crucial to mention that. You might say it's Org's > raison d'être. It's what makes integrating all of Org's functions > so tightly possible. If features are well integrated and work together well, how is it important to know that they do it because of a certain way of formatting text? > But at the same time it should be made clear from the outset that > Org's strength lies in its integration. I mean, I could use > Markdown with Pandoc to write my papers, *cough* Google Calendar > *cough* to keep track of my appointments, Jupyter for keeping > programming notebooks and *cough* Evernote *cough* to keep notes, > but there would be no way to link all of that. With Org, there is. You are actually describe the strength of Emacs as an integrated package whose parts work well with one another. And yet we have separate manuals for major parts: Gnus, Org, Eshell, etc. -- just look inside doc/misc/. IOW, I don't see a contradiction here.