From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 19:21:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83mu6poup0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1w2s9wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9leqmss.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="71434"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 18:22:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVHO7-000ISd-Ei for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 18:22:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48706 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVHO6-0007w3-FL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 12:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38818) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVHNU-0007QG-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 12:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55630) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVHNU-0005sx-4Q; Sun, 03 May 2020 12:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3761 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVHNK-0005j2-3Y; Sun, 03 May 2020 12:21:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= on Sun, 3 May 2020 16:03:33 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248712 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 16:03:33 +0100 > Cc: Stefan Monnier , tomas@tuxteam.de, > Richard Stallman , emacs-devel > > While I agree with your stance on documentation, only recently did I > start learning a bit the new `C-h` commands. Are they new-ish? No, most of them are very old. We have "C-h d" since Emacs 22.1, for example. Some of them were added in Emacs 23 and 24. > Anyway travelling to the Elisp manual is usual a matter of: > > M-x info RET C-s elisp RET RET C-s thing-im-hopeful-to-find C-s C-s My suggestion is to (a) always have the ELisp manual open in some frame, and (b) look for whatever you need with the 'i' command, possibly aided by TAB-completion. > My point it that the manual-savvy workflow should be better > advertised. Maybe some photogenic person among us could > make a screencast or something, that has a lot of impact. I'm all for it.