From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:29:44 +0300 Message-ID: <83mu68cbbb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <70bb51fd-447d-928c-4d69-1c9673a44471@online.de> <871rnnvmdx.fsf@red-bean.com> <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <83zha8tluq.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9kwi6ta.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83wo5ccgg4.fsf@gnu.org> <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="101101"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, andreas.roehler@online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kfogel@red-bean.com, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp To: Sergey Organov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 14:30:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZvxo-000QDc-Vs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 14:30:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35030 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZvxo-0006Tl-1A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 08:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZvxC-0005wT-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 08:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZvx9-0007I4-7S; Sat, 16 May 2020 08:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2994 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZvwy-0000i0-0C; Sat, 16 May 2020 08:29:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> (message from Sergey Organov on Sat, 16 May 2020 15:24:33 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250480 Archived-At: > From: Sergey Organov > Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:24:33 +0300 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, andreas.roehler@online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > kfogel@red-bean.com, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp > > >> And here there are 2 more problems for newbies. They usually expect > >> pop-up /modal/ dialog to be thrown on them for anything but text input > >> or moving around. > > > > That happens in Emacs for some/many commands invoked via the menu bar. > > Then this must be rather easy to achieve for keyboard induced commands > as well. Not really. When the user invokes a command from the menu, we have a clear signal that the mouse is being used, and therefore can display a GUI dialog without fear. But when the user types "C-x C-f", how can we know that he/she expects a dialog box and not a minibuffer prompt?