From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: splash-screen Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:50:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83mu1bo5ng.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d02ej7bq.fsf@gnus.org> <874knoekki.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu1fb8kb.fsf@gnus.org> <87blhurx3n.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8lslklt.fsf@gnus.org> <83wo0fo8sg.fsf@gnu.org> <83pn67o7hh.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37781"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, nicolas.rougier@inria.fr To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 27 12:52:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMUIF-0009kU-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:52:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59528 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMUIF-0001jM-0p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:52:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMUGR-0001AE-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:50:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMUGQ-0005iG-Py; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1415 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kMUGA-0006TF-T0; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:50:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thibaut Verron on Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:34:44 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256536 Archived-At: > From: Thibaut Verron > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:34:44 +0200 > Cc: Richard Stallman , Lars Ingebrigtsen , > "Nicolas P. Rougier" , emacs-devel > > Of course, I agree that we should not take non-free software's example > seriously. I don't think this distinction is relevant when talking about legal issues. The GPL is not a revolt against the copyright laws, it uses those laws to the benefit of the Free Software. Therefore, relevant legal practices, even if used by non-free software, are not to be dismissed so easily. > > I see all-caps in GUI applications as well. > > Assuming that you mean free software, do you have examples? Any program that shows the MIT license will display that part in all-caps. (And, as I wrote above, I don't think whether the software is free or not is important here.) > A lot of the discussion so far has been whether it is worth it to ask > the FSF's counsel for updated advice, valid in the ecosystem and legal > environment of 2020. I never said I'm against asking their counsel. Please don't treat factual corrections of part of what you say to mean that I reject _everything_ that you say. Agreement doesn't have to be total; that's a common fallacy ("you are either with us or against us") in this divided world nowadays. > If we deny the fact that several major free software organizations > have chosen to display the warranty disclaimer only in their EULA I didn't deny that, so your arguments should be directed at someone else.