From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:56:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5510"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 16:01:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbvB-0001L9-3c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:01:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44944 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbvA-0008My-3a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:01:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbqI-0004PX-Hj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbqI-0002sq-6V; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:56:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1322 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbqH-0003mX-JY; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:56:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:54:06 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257364 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:54:06 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The number of digits in the line number can change a lot if you jump > > to another place with M-g g or C-x C-x or some other similar command. > > That's true, but is also the case today (in huge files). Yes, but with variable-pitch fonts, it will happen more frequently, because the width of a space is typically different in these fonts from the width of digit characters. > I think the only way to see whether it's annoying or not is to try > it out on people and see what they say. I've seen complaints about similar behavior in other contexts, that's why I raised the issue. > > And what about the "All/Top/Bot/NN%" part? > > Ditto. No: these are all 3-character wide, so they take a fixed-width space with fixed-pitch fonts. Now it won't. > > And then there are optional displays, like display-time-mode etc. > > All the ones that display numbers (and don't change between numbers and > non-numerical data) aren't affected in any reasonable font. display-time-mode shows AM and PM, though. > I think we should just gather some feedback first and see what's > annoying and what isn't. We _are_ getting feedback: you've got mine ;-) And others are encouraged to express their views as well. > I've now used this for hours :-), and the only thing I've noticed > being even remotely odd is the U:** switching to U:--, which takes > much less space and draws the eye. Using :align-to is simple, and could even simplify the mode-line construction: instead of carefully counting spaces, you will need just one space with a suitable :align-to. So I'm not really sure why this needs an argument.