From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suggest installing more fonts?
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 12:08:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mu0lte1p.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zh4lz7lm.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:31:33 +0200)
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:31:33 +0200
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> There's two philosophies here, depending on the "class" of the
> application. The applications that are primarily concerned with
> displaying documents (Chrome, Firefox, Libreoffice) put a lot of work
> into this, and both have giant lists of fonts preinstalled, and are
> distributed with (some) fonts.
>
> Other apps, that are more bare-bones (like Terminal) just look at the
> default font and then tufo if the font doesn't have that glyph.
>
> Emacs is somewhere in the middle here, as usual.
A significant difference between Emacs and other apps is that Emacs
doesn't use fixed lists of fonts, but instead relies on system font
configurations to provide the fonts suitable for displaying some
character. Thus, Emacs allows the users to install _any_ font that
supports a character, and get that displayed, even if the font is not
one of those known to the application in advance. I believe this
makes Emacs more flexible and future-proof, but as usual, that power
comes with a price.
For that reason, I think it doesn't help too much to look at other
applications, because their philosophy in this department is very
different. We should instead identify the issues Emacs users
encounter wrt fonts, and design and implement solutions for those
issues, whether by improving documentation or by enhancing our font
search and matching infrastructures. For example, the issues with
Emoji are due to several fundamental issues we already identified (the
fact that Emoji belong to a large and very heterogeneous "script" we
call "symbol", for example) and are working on a solution.
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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-16 10:54 Suggest installing more fonts? Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 11:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 12:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 12:59 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 14:38 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 16:09 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 13:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 14:08 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 15:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 13:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 13:30 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2020-10-17 6:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-16 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 6:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-17 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18 8:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-18 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 8:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-19 14:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 10:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-20 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 10:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 11:31 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 11:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-21 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 16:03 ` tofu-help-mode (was: Suggest installing more fonts?) Stefan Monnier
2020-10-22 12:07 ` tofu-help-mode Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 15:21 ` tofu-help-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 10:46 ` tofu-help-mode Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 17:46 ` Suggest installing more fonts? Michael Albinus
2020-10-21 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 7:27 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-22 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 16:53 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-23 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-25 11:47 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-25 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 17:25 ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 11:59 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-10-21 12:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-21 12:31 ` Stephen Berman
2020-10-21 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 20:19 ` Rasmus
2020-10-22 2:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 12:34 ` Rasmus
2020-10-22 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 20:19 ` Rasmus
2020-10-22 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 12:02 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 12:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-22 12:29 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-23 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 8:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-23 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 15:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-23 16:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:43 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-23 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-24 9:35 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-23 10:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-23 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 17:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 18:18 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 13:40 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 14:20 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-22 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 19:42 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 22:14 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-16 22:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-16 23:02 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 11:21 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 13:09 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 16:09 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 17:37 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 18:36 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 19:18 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-17 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18 8:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-18 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 17:30 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-18 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 22:46 ` Stephen Leake
2020-10-17 6:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-17 9:08 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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