From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <83mtuu8gdz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> <8735wnjsum.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg4n9jei.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efhx3e.fsf@gnus.org> <838s6f9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efgg3w.fsf@gnus.org> <878s6fgdzu.fsf@gnus.org> <19c1ec9e-a97f-a8ab-b966-edadbc299c39@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10247"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 23 08:44:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lObhp-0002WM-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:44:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42894 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lObho-0006M7-Dq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 03:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lObgs-0005vw-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 03:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lObgq-0007dn-SU; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 03:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3704 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lObgo-0003TB-L7; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 03:42:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:22:19 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266860 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:22:19 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , gregory@heytings.org, > Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > That way experiments go in parallel not disturbing the default key > bindings and users aware or willing to participate may do so. That just delays the dispute to the point when we want to consider making some of the bindings the default. So it basically may solve a secondary problem -- how to conduct the experiment -- but not the main problem, which is whether and how to change bindings that existed in Emacs since about forever.