From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:05:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83mttmldk6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <1c2c69f9-f42e-45e2-ab0e-8506aa859f85@yandex.ru> <8335ven7tu.fsf@gnu.org> <6654ddbe-0f1b-f36e-26f2-f4ee178b12ac@yandex.ru> <677a04021bc7fbe7bcef@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37621"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 15:06:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1laeT6-0009gs-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:06:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeT5-0002O6-D0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:06:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44722) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeSO-0001vh-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laeSN-0000dg-Bp; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2458 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1laeSK-0003dD-0a; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:05:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <677a04021bc7fbe7bcef@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:47:56 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268374 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:47:56 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > >>>> Perhaps the easiest fix would be to handle Delete same as Backspace > >>>> here. > >>> > >>> Yes, that could alleviate the problem in this particular case. > >> > >> Please don't, that would be a horribly wrong change. > > > > I have described an obvious problem: Emacs says press DEL to scroll, the > > user presses Del on their keyboard, and Emacs exits instead. > > > > All that in a Help interface, which is supposed to help newbies. Not > > grizzled veterans. > > > > It's a real problem, if you want people to actually use this feature. > > What about adding (define-key map [delete] 'scroll-down-command) to > help-map? Isn't that what Dmitry suggested above? Btw, make-help-screen already seems to recognize the key, so why isn't that already supported?