From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 20:34:01 +0300 Message-ID: <83mtnjxvxy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <871r534s2o.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> <83a6jkyrok.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmsf7gb3.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18365"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 08 19:35:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mYtmJ-0004WC-Mf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2021 19:35:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37980 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYtmH-0006Y2-M5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:35:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYtlM-0005r3-T2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:34:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYtlM-000608-CQ; Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:34:28 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2489 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYtlG-0007MD-4K; Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:34:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:55:47 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276573 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , psainty@orcon.net.nz, acm@muc.de, > rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:55:47 -0400 > > Completion styles are supposed to work meaningfully with "any" > completion table. Some completion styles make more sense with some > tables than others, admittely (and some like the `backend` completion > style only do something useful with those completion tables setup to > take advantage of it), but the completion styles should be agnostic to > where the completion candidates come from (that's the job of completion > tables), and so far that's been true of all completion styles. That sounds like a principle (a.k.a. "dogma") that doesn't have to be universally accepted. E.g., what terrible things will happen if we allow a style that is NOT agnostic to the source of the completion candidates? > > And can't it be left for 'master', as it's kind of a new feature? > > I see no need to push any of this to `emacs-28`, so all my > recommendations are for `master` here. Then what do you suggest we do on the release branch?