From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:02:56 +0200 Message-ID: <83mtkjjvxb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tuesndye.fsf@localhost> <834k6rlfk6.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsqbtsui.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 29 16:03:52 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aUZ-0009ox-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:03:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56226 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aUY-0008Tp-Rb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 10:03:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45172) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aTe-0007m8-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 10:02:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=41886 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aTe-0001ub-MS; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 10:02:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Rkk7Pq3T8nbfw+geY+WK056+EYtYpfKQC2HKY57Kbvw=; b=HhG70IZJKpmS jakyujDxKNa/6+KGiFb1y3YZuW4fYaDaEFXDzPj5aJInHpQL0OyCGCOVWrzjSui2R6mAKKRIAO7s1 2dyKFjoddKpY/CY9XnqY0psUX1EcBEshaJ90D47JkLswN1gAZvr27A1Icq8tMS+kdn3VMhiRhXQz3 O7U7JoOMD1rV13iGMO8/tqefO/9z+5L6QRXjqU1n/vQyb82zXn8d64yWpm1BTLbqt6XJQ//k2FcQX Wqcio+GTy/IW5vGwiZnlKVNskMo5hKODJpCpjAGyC6BDVDMLiWELfWXbXDlOCJEw8R5FDG1wJFWKl V4bBvasIdfiLE1sEtK3bYw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2401 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2aTe-0004tB-9n; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 10:02:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fsqbtsui.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:59:17 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283564 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:59:17 +0800 > > 1. There was a complaint: > > >> - Development velocity is glacial. With releases around once per year > >> and there being no easily accessible distribution mechanism for > >> development updates, high-velocity projects or projects that must adapt > >> to a changing ecosystem (straight.el satisfies both of those criteria) > >> simply do not have a place in Emacs core as it exists today. > > 2. The answer to it was that core packages can be distributed through ELPA > to provide updates between Emacs releases. > > 3. I tried to simulate a newcomer aiming to contribute a new built-in > package to Emacs, but willing to update the contribution frequently. > > I opened CONTRIBUTE file and tried to search useful information with > the above setup in mind. > > 4. I did not find anything useful from a first glance (from folded > headlines) If this is the purpose, we could say something like If you would like to contribute a stand-alone package, consider submitting it to ELPA, not to Emacs. Would that be enough? > 6. ELPA section is very confusing with this mindset (and in general as > well). I find nothing confusing there. All it says is that the Emacs repository doesn't include ELPA, which is a separate repository with its own README file. IOW, all it wants is to prevent people from mistakenly thinking CONTRIBUTE and emacs.git in general cover ELPA.