From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 14:17:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83mt2jhvrx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4920048a-aded-3588-50d2-4bea3c0c096b@web.de> <878re3kppb.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16093"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tbading@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 05 13:17:49 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1putRd-0003xR-6o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 13:17:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1putQw-0007sn-93; Fri, 05 May 2023 07:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1putQv-0007sX-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 07:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1putQt-0002h9-IA; Fri, 05 May 2023 07:17:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=K3xSRbwhcWDCwEAsI9ZgOPlFvZZ9mHMr6deqTiJVIDw=; b=ivBDUu+72bLr GGsF4X7TK21bnYqRg3C4d6PrFeA87wHISbc48Y5r+V8umeXZlNsZVKosOndahewwdmPWo4Aq72SLI caGpoqDnP0nDgmpzckOxh5xkl6TIhTBw6LXEAHDn6h8aKwyZzvXRdn4U1W2JeLzdPmSDJQHOqc89g ER6pW8XvheGfbfh//xXCLg1On9fn0JDWcyTdXz5QOfRI8wqLvNJ3QfqT9O/I8EU6stIBBDFyQp3yv nOmALOYFuwU3du8FbCnbruFRKkX5kbnaRX0P+ntFNVyIwgkDpgIVI7i+F82TMLNpots6DK0KijHyI Znmt9rFzzdrmFob56bV+FA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1putQs-0001Wl-2A; Fri, 05 May 2023 07:17:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878re3kppb.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 05 May 2023 19:00:48 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305873 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 19:00:48 +0800 > > Anyway, I don't object to explaining what we call ``minimized'', as long > as it is confined to some short introductory text in the manual. But we > should never use the term ``minimized'' ourselves. That's not the current policy, and I see no reason to enforce such restrictions. So please stop pushing others to adopt your personal preferences. > > Today, a lot of free software desktop environments, window systems, > > window managers etc are available. Some may present invisible windows > > as icons, others as buttons in window lists, a thumbnail in a dock, or > > A thumbnail, or a button containing an icon, is not/does not contain an > icon? They are not necessarily icons or buttons nowadays. Some desktops actually display a miniature snapshot of the frame. Anyway, this argument leads nowhere, so I wish we'd stop wasting each other's time.