From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 05:31:20 +0300 Message-ID: <83msw8n43r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23708"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 04:31:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qv7D0-00060A-Aa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:31:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qv7CY-0004jT-BK; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 22:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qv7CW-0004jK-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 22:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qv7CW-0002fs-He; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 22:31:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2JISJymj6PyOJx7dWqn0cPeyQPZIlfurGhJX0yu2esI=; b=b/1kpysNqpUM 94P3HEh6PcrcdUsbIJJxu1TF/N6ziY8/bOs8XW6WIA3OD/GA9PEt6VFvwnOBax33zoka0X17VoQbu TFM/g2JiPOF0GgN66cn8Z6x+T6GieQne/q3AXQXZI8OU3QlY4PxnHkZRwcc/hrxedlAAcGLVY0QmG dTPYm0xSMftkVOU1t9cvPZArV0D3vjRXfyuKNl0O7tjXwlNFgjvPPLOXCEuJyqJDbNGyz6gG1/7Ib C+DZ2nfHPKZbRIYC7BRH6rXaxvoZCqdLK6apG61GkD6quXjUySl2nyO6x6epubGvEESiCblytNiNR vJxjZOp8Trc4SJq+f02j9Q==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:11:06 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311741 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:11:06 -0700 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Preloading unnecessary stuff is a slippery slope that once we start > > there's no way of knowing where we end. So let's not. > > AFAIK, the main drawback is increased memory consumption. The main > benefit is that Emacs starts faster. > > Are there any other important considerations? Introduction of symbols that are not needed. Also, some packages modify the run-time environment when they load.