From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why? Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:08:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83lixjdkae.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6F4054004B154CFB8E2753172D316C13@us.oracle.com> <4DE4F8D0.7010800@lanl.gov> <82y61l16bg.fsf@gmail.com> <87vcwo40tn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834o48f6sa.fsf@gnu.org> <8762on3rvj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307113861 21132 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 15:11:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 17:10:57 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSW1W-0000Pm-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:10:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47732 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSW1V-0000h5-G7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSW0G-0000FD-Ai for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSW0E-0005TB-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:09:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSW0B-0005Ry-5z; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LM700C00YQGDO00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:08:48 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.223.140]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LM700BRGZEKOKB0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:08:46 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <8762on3rvj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140126 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:35:12 +0200 > > lllllRRRRRRlllll > ^ Is this the visual order (on the screen) or the logical order (in the buffer)? > If I move left, I jump backward over the RL text to the end of the LR > text. If I move right, I move 1 character backward in the RL text. IIUC the example, the first sentence is true, the second is false. > Now that is what I would expect to happen. However, not the _current_ > direction decides whether to reverse left/right movement, but the > _paragraph_ direction. What do you mean by the "current direction"? > If this is a LR paragraph (like it likely is), left will move right > in the RRRRRR section and vice versa. True. > This is what Hebrew writers expect? Yes.