From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Trunk r117046 fails on systems with older automake Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 21:15:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83lhuhz9zr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <868uqh4ust.fsf@gmail.com> <83tx95zffo.fsf@gnu.org> <3elhuhqv6k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1399227328 1126 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2014 18:15:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 18:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 20:15:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wh0wY-0007kN-QV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 20:15:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54155 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wh0wX-00082H-Gb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 14:15:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wh0wP-000823-FV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 14:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wh0wJ-0000g2-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2014 14:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:54930) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wh0wJ-0000cE-5p; Sun, 04 May 2014 14:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N5200500A5DEB00@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 04 May 2014 21:12:24 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N52006KHAKOQ900@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 04 May 2014 21:12:24 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <3elhuhqv6k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171688 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Andy Moreton , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 14:02:11 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Indeed. Moreover, please don't require different versions for the > > trunk and the branch, as it's a nuisance to have more than a single > > version installed. > > Why would you need two versions? > You can use automake 1.14 today even if the minimum is 1.11. > I'm sure many people do. > (I see I used automake 1.14 and autoconf 2.69 for 24.3.90.) At some point, 1.11 was the requirement, and newer versions would fail. If that is no longer the case, then I guess there's no problem. > > Also, nt/INSTALL and/or the packaged Autotools it points to need to > > be updated once we upgrade to some newer version, so please explicitly > > announce that here. > > I can't promise to remember, but failues with versions older than the > minimum will be obvious, and only affect builds from bzr, not releases, > so it doesn't seem like a big deal. If you can promise prominent failures, that's okay, too. (Evidently, at least in this case, it was not so clear-cut, for reasons we still don't understand.) I'm afraid of subtle failures which can go unnoticed for a long time. > You can update the ezwinports versions whenever you feel like, no > need to wait for Emacs to require them. I don't have a luxury of doing jobs that are not strictly necessary, and don't recommend that others use versions I don't use myself, or upgrade when there's no real need. Besides, which version to upgrade to? it's not like you can promise to which version we will switch next, can you?