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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: burden of maintainance
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 22:09:29 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lhbm8kye.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <560D7F77.8060507@online.de>

> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:46:15 +0200
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > Suggestions for how to improve our test suite without alienating
> > potential contributors are welcome.
> 
> What about saying: no checkin before the tests passed?

That is OK, but what to do if some tests fail for many moons before
they are fixed?  We cannot stop development because of that.

> Coverage and quality of tests should be an integral part of developing.

That's the hard part.  Our current coverage is quite low (my
impression; it would be good to have some tool that can measure
that).  Worse, for interactive features (and there are a lot of them),
we lack the infrastructure for writing automated tests.  Also, I don't
quite see who will write tests for large portions of the C code, given
how few people are even prepared to work on that.  The result is that
getting closer to good coverage is a huge job.

> WRT to maintainance there are also redundancy, complexity which might be 
> worked on.

Alas, there are wildly different views on what is and isn't complex.

> Keeping an eye at the number of symbols - too many blow up the language, 
> make in harder for beginners than needed.

Which symbols did you have in mind?




  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-01 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-01  8:10 burden of maintainance Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 18:46   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 19:09     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-10-01 20:18       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-01 20:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 13:54       ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-02 14:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 17:18           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 18:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 18:47               ` joakim
2015-10-02 19:16               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-02 20:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 19:28               ` Chad Brown
2015-10-02  7:51   ` Helmut Eller
2015-10-02  8:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02  8:56       ` Helmut Eller
2015-10-02  8:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 11:46         ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-02 11:58   ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 13:14     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-02 13:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 15:00       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 15:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 17:19           ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 18:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-02 18:54               ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-02 20:39                 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03  6:53                   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-10-03  7:31                     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-03  1:38             ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-03  0:38       ` Eric Ludlam
2015-10-02 23:24     ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-03  6:42       ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-03  7:00         ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-03  7:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 16:34 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-10-02 11:25   ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 12:27     ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-02 14:53       ` Phillip Lord
2015-10-02 16:56         ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-03  1:35     ` Richard Stallman

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