From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:01:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21107"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 16:02:29 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG0g9-0005N6-3w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:02:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG0g8-0006iB-4N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:02:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42552) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG0fQ-0005Wc-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG0fP-0000y2-Tl; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:01:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3959 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kG0fK-0002zJ-5b; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:01:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Yuan Fu on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:30:56 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254867 Archived-At: > From: Yuan Fu > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:30:56 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I generally agree with your point. However, what I have in mind is not changing defaults, but rather a configuration wizard, that can prompt user and let him select from Emacs binding vs CUA binding, Emacs undo vs simple undo/redo, themes, etc. I’ve seen such wizard in Intellj Idea, Spacemacs, etc. Something like (just an example): > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Set UI themes: > > > > - [ ] default > - [ ] dark > - [ ] ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Keybinding notation: > > C (control) Ctrl > M (meta) Alt/Option > s (super) Windows/Command > S (shift) Shift I don't think this scales. Emacs has thousands of options, I'm guessing hundreds of them are important for the audience you have in mind. You will get a huge set of many options that people with "TL;DR" state of mind will never be able to review, let alone decide what is for them. The grouping of the options must be based on some "themes" or similar, to be useful. The challenge is, of course, to come up with a useful list of such "themes", and then decide which options should each theme enable.