From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:09:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lf0khndf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YbsJrdwCXMLqGApL@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de)
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:41:01 +0100
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>
> > That rings a bell: it's what I heard 20 years ago about XEmacs vs GNU
> > Emacs when I talked (in person) to its main developers. The rest is
> > history.
>
> I think it is still relevant. Big corps have learnt to ride the waves
> since then.
Nothing new here: XEmacs started because a certain company wanted to
make profits from it, and was unhappy with the pace and directions of
the Emacs development.
> They still want some kind of user [1] control, but they know they can't
> be as ham-fisted as they used to be in the '8ies and '90ies.
If you pay too much attention to details, you can never learn from
past experience, because there's no exact repetition of precisely the
same circumstances. Which details are important and which aren't is a
non-trivial judgment call, and I guess we differ in how we make that
call. Which might mean you are right and I'm wrong, of course.
However, my point was that Óscar approaches the issue in a too
simplistic way (if I take what he wrote as the description of his
approach), and that there's more here than meets the eye.
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2021-12-11 4:17 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Stefan Kangas
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2021-12-11 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-11 12:36 ` Alexandre Garreau
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2021-12-11 12:57 ` Alexandre Garreau
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2021-12-11 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 13:55 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
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2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 4:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2021-12-14 4:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 7:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 7:40 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 9:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 10:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 13:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 23:41 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:17 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:23 ` Contradictiory directions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:59 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 8:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 8:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:16 ` tomas
2021-12-15 9:49 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:59 ` tomas
2021-12-15 10:06 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-15 12:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 13:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2021-12-19 8:30 ` tomas
2021-12-20 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 9:17 ` Lele Gaifax
2021-12-15 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 15:15 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-16 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-16 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 14:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-15 10:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 10:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:44 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 13:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 14:33 ` dick
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-17 4:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 5:12 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 13:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 15:11 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-15 21:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:41 ` tomas
2021-12-16 10:09 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-12-16 11:34 ` tomas
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2021-12-16 11:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-17 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:15 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 13:36 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 14:34 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 15:02 ` tomas
2021-12-15 7:26 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Po Lu
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 8:33 ` tomas
2021-12-15 14:22 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 22:35 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-17 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 4:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:33 ` tomas
2021-12-12 5:07 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-12 5:17 ` Po Lu
2021-12-12 5:20 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 5:30 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 5:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-13 6:01 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 5:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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