From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:58:09 +0200 Message-ID: <83lezt8cm6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <740A136F-8710-4F4C-BFC1-A3DB418447F4@gmail.com> <87zgoc7u6k.fsf@gmail.com> <83iluzbqcr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r19nxx7x.fsf@gmail.com> <878rvv9esx.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fsq28x4l.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bl0q8vfa.fsf@yahoo.com> <83pmp69vsu.fsf@gnu.org> <8735m17l8c.fsf@yahoo.com> <875yqx5nub.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, paaguti@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 06 10:13:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n5OpS-00045E-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:13:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5OpP-0002rX-DO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 04:12:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5Oar-0000Oz-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 03:57:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=38090 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5Oar-0005Ti-HC; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 03:57:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=nSGIATOu7PZr4Ug4qOGOB12n4Rs+pD8LctPv1e1bFgw=; b=GMSHj3NMpRG7 NXo9w3uQXtZct5BAf7ZYw8z5PW2/Z74qV34vImAFTC8lDHLHnoZ6REXBn1B3NtdlP5dAHTqh9J6lQ y6ecAu4yQs2+XuVp5y2lsowuwyAgP7Q/Q5sRgq3gEjZRg7s2bRtxJw8e5haeMmmSjW3dugY/HrqI2 Y5WUor5j4OcsjFFIG7J4QgxT/z4UrFU5tsjI2uk53sR9OOYXcoXgf6x8qe+bX02ZwlOtnsje3irgC Patq+xolp1KQj5+dVGODCWizRid40MOOcU/NOvX+gmSmZfXW/O3VsfA/vW7pnxrrRDWyQTDNze873 ffIqG/j2Cww1CwLyMBNJNw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2399 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5Oar-0007OO-Bs; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 03:57:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <875yqx5nub.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:23:56 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284300 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Robert Pluim , > emacs-devel , Stefan Kangas > , Drew Adams > Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:23:56 +0800 > > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > >> 7. Suppose a longtime user doesn't read the NEWS etc., and _does > >> nothing_. What happens then? Is there a problem? > > How about ignoring all of that, and asking the user where to save his > customizations when he tries to save them for the first time? How do you define "the first time", exactly? Users can use several different systems and/or user accounts. Some of them start a session and keep it running for long times, others start very short sessions for specific jobs, then exit Emacs. A user could start Emacs for the first time in his/her life, or he/she could be a veteran Emacs users with many customizations. The definition of the "first time" should reasonably support all of these use patterns, and possibly others as well.