From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:31:51 +0300 Message-ID: <83lerf87k8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a67xlm9v.fsf@gnus.org> <87k070g6l0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8635do4u9b.fsf@gmail.com> <877d30g1az.fsf@yahoo.com> <86y1vg3a31.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1vgeho7.fsf@yahoo.com> <86h723esba.fsf@gmail.com> <83tu6389pn.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 14:43:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTFi-0003qz-2x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:43:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49050 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTFg-0006G8-RU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:43:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57854) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQT4U-0004Ye-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQT4S-000453-1B; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:31:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fI8iI0lH/LcmFNau/fKx2aaQIiT2gTR/dFg11fnO1yQ=; b=OD+R/NgFaZYN ZU1JgrtbRp5YhIJ4qPlpOABncOVwAQrNOQjSy5Ko44nNkSb9w6YoKoz0luwAUNArXHAzjB6fU29Bq UzlYMFcvKFVpTNLMMjMHgL5NdNC02lA8ahdqhvPW9KE1/nseaORX0wgGfG0Ipl+PK1GuBpUWO3HmZ s7qB/PcW/I1KlX/wpM4fUCXawFs2671i8gAyMM131orDku3JAy3jBYf5aOZsEvGtofC/tEasMQpvD UOD3UzxJK9P7yKzfECJUK1aan8d4R+HZ3YU/Wjw/uRhMtxSwgMlH3zd+f6d5h3r5xfPwQ9bl+Q+mA MLTCttE8e+GihqWEZ5HoPg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3712 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQT4K-0002Os-Hg; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:31:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: (tomas@tuxteam.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293876 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:02:21 +0200 > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I indeed question the optimistic belief that system-wide conventions > > are always better. They might be in some basic stuff, like the outer > > decorations of the GUI windows, but other than that... > > Yes, but the "outer decorations" now belong to the application No, they don't. Maybe you just aren't aware that those decorations are all but invisible on latest Windows. But they still exist, if you know where they are... > > > Currently I have the "pleasure" of working with Windows [...] > [first click active] > > > Jist FYI: that's configurable, if you want to change it (I don't). > > Hm. On an application-by-application basis? No, for the console. > > The solution, of course, is to always click only on the window > > decorations, not inside the client area. Then all the applications > > will behave the same, because it isn't the app, it's the window > > manager's behavior. > > But the problem is... the decoration area /is/ client area for those > more "modern" windows No, see above. Each window still has a border, albeit a thin and basically invisible one.