From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 19:04:02 +0200 Message-ID: <83leop2v0d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <25a8a3a6-81c8-3fbc-434d-fb1b24ae1d62@gmail.com> <83cza48lxe.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7656"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 05 18:05:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1orMbi-0001gP-OS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2022 18:05:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orMac-0007W3-NX; Sat, 05 Nov 2022 13:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orMab-0007Vb-2U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2022 13:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orMaZ-0005c0-KL; Sat, 05 Nov 2022 13:04:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=DHiRCSNLCwK3QtwwLDA4C5AovCrEW5rickxLav+qV/4=; b=jEEwS9ldRvaD ClJY4NMiDfvNZUtQJQcP8pB3BNaACnPCBopHIc3JlEz+PYtCGaY9jgCAFZR7uk4QGubHML7t2elsf dg1G4lIXT9Fhb1GAGd6zmLNnH5/jTv2fIT+X7nmPUEFK6E92uSTPs50x77Iyg8LwTuEnPnv8mbubS 37FbKWhUdKWDCNqfZFrYGRZp4erQXU89u53sayJ2LvQ1kTDjqujia/GCHJqJ1q6EJDruwwwSqrZDF t1Uxlklvh69S/Qg+AVs1/ZI8kz93Gj1KRFJa+l5cZ2Vq3QSvn6Q0qwn2SexGMPs+rnka5z1DmMilZ vSINBAX8XMjEgf1D7ARiTw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orMaY-0007lv-0c; Sat, 05 Nov 2022 13:04:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 05 Nov 2022 12:49:27 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299221 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 12:49:27 -0400 > > > Please do test it, but in any case please don't install before the > > emacs-29 release branch is cut. This change is significant enough to > > not risk it for the upcoming release of Emacs 29. > > That is unreasonable. People have been installing very large changes > just lately. No, they haven't, not lately anyway. > This is an added small feature that won't affect any code > unless it explicitly uses this, which currently nothing does. It is a minor feature, indeed, but its effect on low-level code is quite significant and could potentially destabilize Emacs. I would like to have a pretest period for Emacs 29 that is as short as possible, and that means last-minute non-trivial changes in low-level code are out. > Since it finishes an existing feature and makes it usable for the most > important case, we should definitely install it before Emacs 29. I disagree. Please wait with installing until the release branch is cut, it will happen in a couple of weeks.