From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 08:29:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83lei3jqh9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkj1ar9n.fsf@yahoo.com> <7e6334ce-c9a3-2c58-d263-fa962f0c2f7d@web.de> <877ctocfpq.fsf@telefonica.net> <87zg6jab1f.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28791"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 05 07:28:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1punzr-0007LB-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 07:28:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1punzg-00081a-17; Fri, 05 May 2023 01:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1punzb-00081E-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 01:28:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1punza-00073M-Oj; Fri, 05 May 2023 01:28:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Ghu0hQhKtGfiDV6mwkFoSmGeB/DTQtFlmQY1Imq/mG4=; b=BJLVMsIRe1FFbOcpQRfc sH60o7sKfB+yIjTIc2H68MNzmF2zmKk1cMJUli+WO0Djbz7fAqstY3EdpMQXUISwdFrjofOyQYnRQ HFUgWCwWJlJgJsal9OXNfB8tFPUuQg+RGw3Y89IyO0rPI+Z3GjWGa1+QxahqaGzLe7Sa5kmIMBuYi BW3g3gV++73+GBikJq3LNBgUzEYQwgvSzDawBctujEptXVDbYkdGyU6EzkxvEXhDkH45Uh+t5T2Z2 EBY1DyCvYlgiNmdf7u/zvnV8OEZTGk7kGV8StPdiQjrifKBFHLhxlpaz+hdZAPbF34+ScWaccRo+3 bHf+5aokZSuelw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1punza-0006Gc-88; Fri, 05 May 2023 01:28:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87zg6jab1f.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 05 May 2023 08:15:24 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305858 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 08:15:24 +0800 > > Óscar Fuentes writes: > > > What's wrong with saying "iconified or minimized"? > > Because ``minimization'' is a form of iconification. > > > IIRC a few years ago there was on this list some acknowledgment of the > > problems posed by using obsolete terminology in Emacs and some actions > > were discussed to converge to modern wording up to some extent. > > ``minimize'' is not modern terminology. It is simply terminology used > by proprietary window systems. It is nowadays used by some GNU/Linux desktops (which basically copycat everything that Windows introduces, as if there are no other UI ideas under the sun). So, like it or not, this terminology is in the wild for quite some time, and we cannot ignore that. Refraining from mentioning these terms will not help cleansing the terminology, but it will make it harder for users to read our documentation. So we decided to use both terms, and explain that they are the same. It is therefore futile to keep arguing about this, so let's please not.