From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 09:27:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83lei2gejf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4920048a-aded-3588-50d2-4bea3c0c096b@web.de> <878re3kppb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83mt2jhvrx.fsf@gnu.org> <874jorklli.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ednuj465.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg6ijpyv.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21367"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tbading@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 06 08:27:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pvBOF-0005Os-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 May 2023 08:27:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvBNi-0002dN-JW; Sat, 06 May 2023 02:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvBNd-0002cr-LY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 May 2023 02:26:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvBNd-0002ik-2b; Sat, 06 May 2023 02:26:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=evF13ygCnNSDVrtZxYtiPCRq3kB2AfjQ5Z2Dm1BFFGc=; b=KPa1siJgM3Pt WrzrKLKROIg+wAi+wuJ2oCT3z3VsImgkwNL7xdrd3wPxAVS362hR1ApNa/oV7YDVMpef88VshJva3 x4Jb1N76XzyIjnL/L3arI8eOrVeTPY5YmP/SfylafmHZAH4rXtncpaSAibL4Ehi5PLjowUlsm6P+0 Na4Ge6vBfimetTfT+qEJoxqYYbNsWmqPS5bZO2jkBuA2P/o4KFOpwU+zDylk73lguQ0XbaXcrOuGV bT+NDprlaNNEAP8DeyVaJ7z5av9LzoZ8HFdC8hald1DE7rpKY0fctnqnmKvpXnhY2Ans78lIGaDj8 KxzxiqQVpvll+v5cSnZyJA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvBNc-0000li-J2; Sat, 06 May 2023 02:26:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87zg6ijpyv.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sat, 06 May 2023 07:52:40 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305892 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: tbading@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 07:52:40 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> There are at least two reasons: > >> > >> 1. the term ``minimize'' does not make sense, at least on the common > >> free desktops. > >> > >> 2. Emacs minimizes windows, while it iconifies frames. Type M-x > >> minimize-window RET, then see what happens. > > > > I hear you, but I still don't see that as good enough reasons to stop > > using "minimize frames" as well. I explained my reasons already, and > > IMO they are more important than the ones you present. > > It is easy to understand that ``iconify'' does mean the same thing, as > it's already explained many times in the Emacs manual. For you and me (and quite a few others), it is easy. But some people will be more comfortable with "minimize", and I see no reason to make this harder for them.